00:17.7
is part of a regime change strategy
00:19.9
na at the end of the day,
00:21.6
BBM might turn out as the bigger threat
00:23.7
even though so far. And then
00:25.7
they never do tear the group. You know, we're saying
00:27.8
no, no, no, no. At the end of the day, BBM is
00:29.6
a constitutionalist, at least so far.
00:31.9
He respects the West Philippine Sea, at least
00:33.8
in terms of policy positioning.
00:35.8
Or at the very least, you can hold his feet
00:37.8
close to fire. It's like when Bernie Sanders
00:39.6
endorsed Hillary. Parang hindi ko siya type.
00:42.1
Hindi ko siya gusto. Pero at least
00:43.7
reasonable siyang kausap, unlike Trump.
00:46.2
So, yung ganyan logic.
00:49.5
stance on this issue? Because we have
00:51.7
friends right and left coming
00:53.8
out with counter-arguments. Kasi
00:55.1
nakikita ko, may time
00:57.8
sa mga DDS, they're trying to
00:59.4
court the never-Marcos side of the
01:01.3
opposition, diba? Na,
01:03.1
di ba, biglang against corruption
01:05.4
na sila, for auditing na sila ng
01:07.3
ano, di ba, yung SMN9,
01:09.4
sa impositioning nila. Tapos,
01:11.6
bayani daw sila, sabi ni Harry Roque.
01:13.9
Di ba, like, this is
01:15.5
sounding weird. Like, good governance
01:17.7
agenda na kayo bigla, diba?
01:19.6
Kaya nga, biro ko yun. Naging opposition
01:21.3
lang yung iba kasi hindi binigyan ng position
01:22.9
to simplify it, diba?
01:25.4
What is your read on this? Where should the
01:27.2
pink movement stand on this? There is a
01:29.4
lot of people asking, it's not because you're pink
01:31.1
per se, but you are allies with Lenny, and
01:33.3
you know, I'm not hearing much from Lenny. Maybe
01:35.3
you know more about her.
01:37.3
We hear a lot from Risa, from
01:39.0
Franz Castro, a lot of others. But,
01:41.1
ikaw, in your humble opinion, where do you
01:43.2
think should the opposition stand? Because
01:45.1
ako, personally, I'm a bit skeptical of
01:47.2
the P.I. Chacha thing. But
01:49.2
I'm even more skeptical on the issue
01:51.2
of the need for ICC to come in
01:52.8
because that's a bigger problem. I also
01:55.1
support the direction of our
01:57.1
foreign policy by and large. So,
01:58.9
it's a kind of an, some
02:00.7
issue here, some issue there. Where do you think
02:02.8
opposition should stand, Senator?
02:04.9
Well, ganito, no? Sa
02:06.7
amin, sa Magdalo Group,
02:09.4
hinimay na namin to
02:10.9
and we defined, ano ba yung
02:12.4
national interest dito?
02:16.2
existential issue
02:22.6
Dutertes to oust DeMarco's
02:24.7
administration, maliwanag
02:26.9
dito yung national interest.
02:28.9
Na dapat matapos na Marcos' administration
02:31.0
yung term niya until 2028.
02:34.0
any interruption to that
02:39.1
Sara Duterte ascending
02:40.9
to the presidency. Pag nangyari
02:46.9
the Philippine democracy, again,
02:50.9
Baka mawala na yung 2028 elections.
02:53.3
Iba ito. Iba yung temperament
03:05.5
in the sense na wala itong
03:08.6
sense of humor. Tsaka may shorter
03:10.5
temper ito. So, kumbaga,
03:15.2
Less confidence, unlike yung
03:16.7
dad niya na may humor,
03:20.8
Pero pareha sila ng mindset.
03:23.1
Scorched earth, tsaka yung
03:26.5
pag-use ng violence.
03:28.7
Sanay na sanay sila dyan.
03:33.3
when faced with that,
03:35.5
napakaliwanag sa amin.
03:36.9
You cannot side with
03:38.8
the Dutertes kasi babalik na naman tayo
03:41.0
dun sa nightmare of the
03:47.0
We do not want to risk that from
03:48.8
happening. So, yun yun.
03:50.3
Ngayon dun sa issue naman ng PI,
03:52.6
maliwanag din na hindi rin naman,
03:54.7
that's not the way to go.
03:56.2
Ako, I'm also in favor
03:58.0
of amending some provisions
04:00.0
of the Constitution.
04:01.9
But may ways to do that.
04:04.7
And I think itong
04:08.2
both houses approach
04:09.9
is the way to go. Kasi you can
04:12.1
deal with the amendments
04:14.0
on a piecemeal basis.
04:16.2
Parang, ito, amend ito
04:17.7
so that pag nag-plebisito, alam
04:19.9
ng mga tao kung ano yung pinagbabotohan nila.
04:22.1
Hindi yung wholesale revision.
04:26.2
Okay. Tapos, ito,
04:28.0
sa iba pang issue,
04:32.8
ano na lang yun, deba-debate.
04:34.5
Pero ito, existential ito eh.
04:39.9
yung Marcos administration
04:41.9
by whatever means,
04:44.2
that would mean Sara assumes
04:46.1
as president. Then, therefore,
04:48.0
iihinto ulit yung EDCA.
04:52.4
would again have a
04:55.7
domestic politics.
04:58.0
And domestic policy-making.
05:01.3
And hindi pwede yun mangyari.
05:05.2
kung yung, ano to,
05:07.6
what's your term?
05:11.6
Never Marcos versus Never Duterte.
05:14.1
Kasi nasa position nito.
05:16.3
Yung mga Never Marcos,
05:17.6
ako, sinasabi ko sa kanila yun.
05:22.1
sa inyo, ang attitude nila,
05:23.6
bahala kayong mag-away-away dyan.
05:25.3
Mag-kakain lang sila ng popcorn.
05:28.0
Pag ka nanalo itong Dutertes,
05:31.1
you will regret that.
05:33.8
Pride na lang yung nagsasabi sa inyong
05:38.0
But dito, it's not Marcos.
05:40.1
You're not supporting Marcos per se.
05:42.4
But you are preventing Sara
05:44.0
from assuming as president.
05:46.4
Diba? Yun yun, maliwanag.
05:49.4
Yes, maliwanag sa amin yun.
05:51.1
Ngayon, dun sa, ano,
05:54.0
dun sa saan po position?
05:56.1
Dapat, mag-prepare na lang.
06:01.4
I-prevent nyo yung PI.
06:04.1
O sige, prevent nyo.
06:05.6
Kasi pag pre-revent nyo yun,
06:06.9
di magkakaroon ng 2028.
06:08.9
Pero kung masyado tayong in the heat na naman dun sa
06:11.8
tactical battles,
06:13.1
next thing you know, 2028 na.
06:15.7
Pakamot-kamot na naman tayo ng ulo
06:17.3
kasi walang nag-prepare.
06:18.9
So, focus on strategy,
06:20.3
not tactical differences and all.
06:22.6
Dapat, hand in hand yun.
06:24.2
May tactical battles,
06:26.2
merong strategic.
06:28.0
Ano, preparation.
06:32.7
Imbis na nag-ano na.
06:34.5
Kaya, in that regard,
06:38.2
That's why I'm already convincing
06:41.3
members of the pink movement
06:43.5
to start promoting or pushing for
06:48.9
as the new leader ng pink movement.
06:54.7
siya talagang, ano siya,
06:56.5
hindi siya bumibitaw, no?
06:58.0
Hindi yung pag natalo ka,
07:00.5
bumitaw ka na sa national, ano?
07:02.7
As if the world stopped
07:07.4
Tuloy-tuloy yung problema.
07:09.9
Senator Risa is there, ano?
07:13.9
she's doing the right things.
07:16.8
The right things that a leader
07:19.1
of the opposition should do.
07:21.9
I mean, I think a good news
07:23.4
because I just confirmed kanina lang
07:25.1
that there are a number of unpublished surveys.
07:28.0
That show na Sara is no longer the lead.
07:30.7
That actually, Rafi Tulfo has overtaken her
07:35.0
but two quarters already.
07:36.9
Now, of course, you would say that,
07:37.8
oh, may marami dyan,
07:39.0
ayaw rin kay Tulfo.
07:39.9
Of course, we can have a long conversation
07:41.7
But for me, actually,
07:42.6
that opens the field, right?
07:44.1
Because that means
07:44.9
the 60% unity no longer exists
07:47.7
as if it ever existed.
07:49.2
But if Sara is just getting around
07:52.5
that's the same number she had in 2021.
07:55.0
And if Tulfo is getting now 30% or more,
07:57.5
then that means there's still
07:58.8
40% plus up for grabs.
08:00.9
And perhaps this opens the space
08:02.4
for a third candidate for Riza Ontiveros
08:04.3
or even some team-up.
08:06.1
Would you think for Riza team-up
08:07.6
also could make sense?
08:08.7
I mean, I'm just throwing out these scenarios
08:10.0
because I want people to imagine
08:13.0
Na hindi pwede popcorn lang tayo forever.
08:15.3
Because at some point,
08:16.2
you're gonna be the popcorn of other people.
08:18.7
If puro popcorn ka lang,
08:20.2
ikaw ang maging ulam at some point.
08:21.5
So I really appreciate yung sinasabi nyo.
08:28.5
I would like to validate yung
08:31.9
about the unpublished service.
08:33.2
Because our own Magdalo survey,
08:35.9
which concluded just last week,
08:38.8
validated that information.
08:41.5
Tulfo is also number one.
08:48.5
less than two weeks ng open war
08:50.8
between the Dutertes and the Marcos.
08:52.7
Talagang tinamaan yung mga Dutertes.
08:54.5
And yung sa ICC question namin,
08:57.4
yung ICC question nga namin
09:01.3
na ano ang inyong opinion
09:04.5
sa nalalapit na pag-aresto
09:06.8
kay Rodrigo Duterte
09:10.2
International Criminal Court.
09:16.3
at walang opinion.
09:20.1
nag-increase siya
09:24.5
ay yung disangayon,
09:30.9
in just less than two weeks.
09:32.2
And yung walang opinion,
09:34.5
ito kasi yung refuge.
09:35.9
So the thing about
09:37.3
Filipino respondents,
09:39.3
Filipino voter is
09:42.3
Kailangan meron kang refuge
09:45.8
baka samain siya dun
09:46.9
sa totoong sentimiento niya.
09:53.1
Kasi maliwanag naman
09:57.1
at ayaw mong ma-arresto siya,
10:01.8
The choice is there.
10:02.9
Pero bakit walang opinion
10:04.8
Because you don't care
10:06.9
about Mr. Duterte.
10:08.8
At so pag susumahin mo yun,
10:18.7
Duterte being arrested.
10:22.3
Kasi yung question
10:24.5
it's the value is
10:25.3
It's just cooperation
10:30.7
Very interesting.
10:34.6
so I think both of us
10:36.2
from the data we have
10:37.3
now unfortunately
10:37.9
the publisher for some
10:39.4
GULFA is now number one
10:40.5
so SARA is no longer
10:41.4
a foregone conclusion
10:42.4
and the trajectory
10:43.7
is not in favor of SARA.
10:46.0
It's actually the other way around
10:47.2
regardless of whether
10:48.6
you like GULFA or not.
10:50.0
and even more important
10:56.6
want ICC to investigate.
10:59.5
want BBM administration
11:02.1
base sa sinabi nyo,
11:04.9
are against arrest.
11:10.3
are open to the idea
11:13.8
na hindi sinama sa SWS.
11:15.3
I really appreciate
11:16.3
this intervention
11:17.0
because these are numbers.
11:19.2
This is the reality.
11:20.1
Hindi yung sa social media,
11:21.3
hindi yung sinasabi ni
11:22.0
Boljak TV, whatever.
11:23.4
we're talking about
11:25.0
systematic numbers
11:26.9
that we have there, right?
11:29.1
they also know about it,
11:30.9
I think they know this.
11:35.2
We've been tracking, no?
11:37.1
The last survey we had,
11:38.9
we conducted last August.
11:45.3
tinitignan namin.
11:48.4
habang tumataas yung
11:49.4
awareness about the ICC,
11:51.3
tumataas yung in favor.
11:54.6
and the bulk neto
12:03.3
Pwede na siyang isuka,
12:06.0
sinusuka na siya.
12:14.1
in their daily lives.
12:18.3
I mean, of course,
12:19.0
I don't know how religious you are,
12:23.5
in the Filipino people?
12:24.6
Kasi parating mo inisip na,
12:27.5
this is a horrible thing.
12:29.7
this was a human rights catastrophe.
12:32.3
this is an affront
12:33.1
to a conscience of any,
12:34.8
true person of faith.
12:37.2
or whatever religion.
12:39.5
this kind of proves na
12:43.6
was disinformation,
12:48.7
Now na hindi siya,
12:49.3
hindi sila nakakatakot
12:53.0
Medyo lumalabas na
12:53.8
yung mga totoong sentimento
12:56.0
Parang ganun ang basa ko dito eh.
12:57.7
Na-exaggerated yung mga
12:58.8
superlative approval-approval.
13:00.6
It's like approval of Putin
13:02.6
Do you think anyone
13:03.4
in his right mind,
13:04.5
pag tinawag mo sa,
13:06.5
what is your opinion of Putin?
13:08.2
there's no reason.
13:09.3
You're gonna say,
13:10.4
yung mga nagsasabi no,
13:11.8
sobrang tapang mga yan.
13:21.5
approval rating niya.
13:22.5
Baka lampas sa 100%.
