01:29.2
Madali lang naman maglalagay.
01:30.6
But the real test of a strong civil society is when you have a very popular authoritarian populist leader, demagogue, can you bring them out?
01:39.2
In fairness, India has proven that they have a strong civil society.
01:42.8
They have a weak political opposition.
01:44.7
But remember yung ginawa nila a few years ago, yung mga farmers, they marched all the way to New Delhi, they occupied the outskirts of New Delhi, hundreds of thousands of them,
01:52.7
and eventually they forced Modi to revisit some of his major land acquisition policies, agricultural policies.
01:59.3
So, that's Modi na, a very, very astute, a very, very powerful, organized populist.
02:05.4
And I was always wondering, ba't walang ganyan sa Pilipinas?
02:09.9
Ardoan almost lost.
02:11.1
The opposition came together.
02:12.8
They had a united slate.
02:15.2
Alam ko hindi na ako maimbita ulit.
02:17.5
But you see what I'm saying, right?
02:19.7
I really began to doubt itong weak state, strong society.
02:26.2
I think we have a weak state, weak civil society sometimes, and very strong men once in a while, right?
02:31.4
Who just damage the system.
02:33.0
So, ang tanong ko dito is, for instance, in Colombia, we saw the victims of Pablo Hernández.
02:39.2
Pablo Escobar, right?
02:40.3
They came out, they organized.
02:41.8
Well, some of them got also deadly, right?
02:43.8
They visited revenge on Pablo Escobar, nagkaroon ng civil war sa Medellin.
02:49.0
I'm not asking for that.
02:50.3
But what I'm curious about is, bakit hindi nagkaroon ng ganyan mobilization?
02:55.6
I mean, all due credit to Riza Ontiveros for being there, for Kean de los Santos' family,
03:01.6
for her coming out for victims of, or alleged victims of itong si self-proclaimed people.
03:09.2
So, aside from Riza, where's the warm bodies on the ground, civil society?
03:13.9
Why are we not hearing the stories of the victims, the parents of the victims, the children of the victims?
03:19.1
There are hundreds of thousands of them, potentially, right?
03:22.2
Kung 30,000, and each of them have four family members at least.
03:26.1
You're talking about huge numbers.
03:27.1
And for some reason, Ronald, it looks like umahasa pa rin tayo anong gagawin ni BBM.
03:31.7
Anong gagawin ni BBM?
03:33.7
Or kay Riza lang?
03:35.1
I mean, where are the rest?
03:36.3
Where is the civil society?
03:37.3
Shouldn't they come out now?
03:38.5
Shouldn't they bring out?
03:39.8
Essentially, make it, force it upon BBM to make the right decision on the ICC issue?
03:46.1
Well, we have a very strong, very dynamic civil society in the 80s and in the 90s.
03:54.5
Nagkaroon tayo, no?
03:56.0
Ito yung mga, ito yung golden age of coalitions.
04:00.0
Thousands of NGOs, no?
04:03.1
Andaming advocacies, etc.
04:04.7
Ang problema ay nalatili siya in the ground.
04:08.5
Gram siya na ethos na natili siyang war opposition.
04:15.4
Hindi siya na-consolidate at nag-complement into a war opposition inside the constructs of government.
04:26.4
Dapat nagko-complement siya, no?
04:27.9
War of motion, war of opposition, no?
04:30.2
Iyon yung naging problema.
04:31.3
When nag-decision itong dynamic civil society na ito na pumasok sa war,
04:38.5
war of position inside the state,
04:40.9
mga akwa na yan eh, turn of the century na yan.
04:43.7
Kahit yung akbayan eh, na pumasok yan, 98, 99, diyan lang sila pumasok.
04:49.9
So, yung wellspring ng dynamism, yung wellspring ng organization,
04:59.2
nung 80s at saka 90s, no?
05:01.0
Ay pwede nag-e-eb na, no?
05:04.7
Before the new century entered,
05:08.5
nasa siya yung civil society to enter the state, no?
05:13.0
Iyon yung isa, no?
05:15.0
Ikalawa ay nakita natin yung perfect storm ng technology,
05:23.5
Ng disruption, no?
05:25.5
Nakita natin yan nitong panahon ni Digong, no?
05:29.6
Nakita natin yan.
05:31.4
May kaunting lumabas nung panahon ni Erap, no?
05:35.5
Lumabas yan ulit nung panahon ni Pinoy to some extent.
05:38.5
Pero nakita natin yung pagragasan niyan nung panahon nung 2016 ni Digong.
05:45.2
At hindi ko masisi yung oposisyon at saka civil society
05:47.9
because at that time, civil society has been dramatically weakened.
05:52.5
Halos wala na mga NGOs.
05:54.2
Halos wala na mga koalisyons, no?
05:56.7
At yung oposisyon naman, as epitomized by the Liberal Party,
06:03.7
they don't know what hit them.
06:05.4
Hindi nila na-deconstructed.
06:08.5
Hindi nila na-analyze.
06:10.3
Hindi nila na-profile.
06:12.1
Yung itong mga populist leader na sumusulpot, no?
06:16.9
Not only around the world, but lalo na sa ating bansa.
06:19.5
I disagree, Ronald.
06:20.8
Di ba ang explanation sa lahat is disinformation?
06:24.2
Ba't kainipan ang jowa mo, disinformation?
06:26.7
Bakit hindi ka binoto ng election, disinformation?
06:29.3
Bakit nasaraan ng ano, disinformation?
06:30.8
Di ba? I mean, come on.
06:31.8
That's what they do.
06:32.6
Pero nung 2016, they were the ruling party.
06:37.5
They were the ruling party.
06:38.5
So, hindi sila ganun kakwan.
06:40.6
At kung tutusin, diyan pala nagsisimula yung Cambridge Analytica, di ba?
06:45.2
Iyan yung panahon ng Cambridge Analytica, eh.
06:48.5
So, hindi pa siya ganun kasabog, eh.
06:51.2
Hindi pa na sumasabog, eh.
06:52.7
Nagsisimula pa lang siya.
06:56.1
Medyo nahuli, no?
06:57.5
Kaya, tapos, syempre, overconfident yung Liberal Party
07:00.9
dahil sila yung ruling party.
07:02.7
Hindi nila inasahan na tatamaan sila
07:04.9
nitong wave ng populism na ito.
07:06.6
Itong wave na, ah,
07:08.3
technology na ito.
07:09.8
At, ah, yung, ah,
07:12.1
hanggang, hanggang, ah,
07:17.3
eve nung campaign period,
07:18.9
nung official campaign period,
07:20.5
ang tingin ng Liberal Party kay Digong,
07:22.3
an asset na pwede nilang gamitin, no?
07:26.1
Para humina si Binay.
07:29.2
And to some extent, si Grace po.
07:31.7
Nalang yung appreciation nila kay Digong.
07:33.2
Hindi nila nakita si Digong as the primary threat.
07:36.9
Hindi nila nakita na itong,
07:38.3
itong bastion of populism.
07:40.7
At that point, no?
07:43.8
Ang tingin nila kay Digong,
07:45.3
well, nandyan siya,
07:47.1
pero not enough to win.
07:49.2
At makakatulong siya,
07:50.9
at makakatulong siya para ma-weaken
07:52.8
yung primary threat,
07:55.8
At ikalawa, si Grace po.
07:57.6
So, yun yung, yun yung nangyari.
07:59.9
Yun yung nangyari.
08:01.4
At nung nangyari yung 2019,
08:03.6
nasa height na si Digong
08:04.7
ng kanyang popularity.
08:12.7
Kaya hindi nakakagulat na na-zero
08:14.5
yung, yung oposisyon.
08:16.6
At hindi lang yun.
08:18.0
Hindi nakapag-adjust yung, yung oposisyon
08:20.1
into a new political narrative.
08:23.3
consistent with the time of populism,
08:26.0
of disinformation.
08:27.6
Nalatili silang biktima eh.
08:31.0
Pwede hindi nila napansin niya nung 2016
08:33.3
dahil sila nga yung ruling party.
08:36.4
dapat nakapag-adjust ka na.
08:37.9
Dapat nakita mo na what hit you eh.
08:41.1
Pero hindi pa rin.
08:42.2
Kung nakita mo yung campaign
08:43.4
ng 8 Diretso ng 2019,
08:48.3
At go, at fast forward sa 2022,
08:51.2
medyo may kaunting adjustment na.
08:55.1
Nakikita mo sa laki ng mga rally,
08:57.2
nakikita mo sa kulay ng kampanya,
09:01.3
pero medyo cluttered pa rin yung messaging.
09:05.1
Kumpara sa focus messaging
09:07.2
ni BBM at saka ni Duterte.
09:09.9
Pero may kaunting adjustment.
09:15.1
nitong past two years,
09:18.4
parang natahimik na naman
09:20.1
at least yung traditional opposition.
09:22.8
Naiwan si Risa na nag-iingay,
09:25.4
but all the others,
09:26.5
hindi lamang lumiit.
09:35.1
Walang nanalo sa kanila.
09:37.2
Hindi ka naman maimbita
09:38.0
tapos ako na naman si Pistino.
09:40.0
Walang nanalo sa kanila.
09:42.5
Dapat nakapag-assess sila.
09:43.9
Bakit walang nanalo?
09:46.0
Ibang usapin niyong sa presidente,
09:47.7
pero walang nanalo na senador,
09:50.9
tapos kakaunting congressman lang
09:53.0
Dapat na-analyze na nila
09:56.3
At ngayon, hindi lang yun.
09:57.8
Doon sa ilan nananalo na Liberal Party,
10:00.4
nahati pa sa tatlo.
10:02.0
May sumama sa minority,
10:03.8
May sumama sa administration,
10:07.2
At may yung presidente
10:10.1
na iwan as independent minority.
10:12.8
Hindi ko maintindihan.
10:14.3
Maliit na partido,
10:15.7
na-wipe out ka na halos,
10:18.0
nahati pa sa tatlo.
10:21.1
yung sumama sa administration,
10:22.8
hindi lang sumama sa administration.
10:25.6
Co-author ng Maharlika.
10:28.0
Defender ng Chacha.
10:31.0
Defender ng Chacha.
10:32.4
Eloquent apologist.
10:34.5
Tapos, two days ago,
10:36.0
yung isang member,
10:37.2
yung isang member ng minority
10:37.9
ng Liberal Party,
10:39.0
nag-abstain doon sa contempt
10:41.1
or warrant of arrest
10:43.8
So, kakaunti na lang ayan.
10:46.7
Tapos, hindi pa nila nakita
10:49.7
na kinakilangang baguhin yung narrative
10:51.6
to be more disruptive.
10:56.0
hindi mo naman masasabing
10:57.0
disruptive si Kiko Pangilinan.
10:59.3
Paano kung magmamarka?
11:01.2
Paano kung magmamarka?
11:02.1
Hindi lamang dahil
11:02.9
tumahimi ka na matagal.
11:05.1
Nung nagsimula kang magingay,
11:09.0
At filing of candidacy
11:11.3
Election na next year.
11:18.4
wala ka sa surveys.
11:20.6
Wala ka sa surveys.
11:22.1
hindi ako magugulat
11:24.9
mali-repeat yung 2019
11:28.4
mag-scale up sila.
11:30.3
Ang gandang opportunity
11:31.2
para mag-scale up eh.
11:34.1
nahati yung unit team.
11:35.4
Gandang opportunity,
11:37.5
Na pumasok ka dyan.
11:40.7
Bakit kulang pa rin?
11:42.1
Bakit kapos pa rin?
11:44.2
mag-cold water ka.
11:47.6
dahil concern ako,
11:49.8
dahil alam mo naman.
11:52.2
ayot hindi tayo iniimbit ha,
11:53.8
yung ating sentiments
11:54.9
nandoon naman eh.
11:56.4
Why are we doing this?
11:59.6
we would have done this
12:00.5
if we think things are doing okay
12:03.0
we would do more foreign policy,
12:07.6
kita-kita namin like,
12:19.3
nakaka-1 million ka sa Facebook,
12:21.8
And you're not even a politician.
12:23.8
Pero ibig sabihin,
12:25.0
nagagamit mo yung technology,
12:26.6
nagagamit mo yung...
12:27.4
Pero baka engagement lang yan,
12:32.4
para magsimulang mag-disrupt
12:35.2
the attention of people.
12:37.0
Bakit hindi nila magawa yun?
12:38.5
Bakit hindi nila ginagawa?
12:41.3
gano'ng katalino, eh.
12:42.8
Marami mas patatitok sa atin, eh.
12:45.4
Cloudchaser kasi tayo.
12:48.3
Hindi nila daw sila cloudchaser.
12:50.1
They're humble people.
12:52.4
self-appointed political analyst, no?
12:58.8
kung meron pwedeng makita
13:00.0
sa ganitong ating example,
13:03.6
It can be done talaga.
13:04.2
I think Christian is,
13:05.2
why are not they doing,
13:06.4
why are they not,
13:08.6
why are they not doing it?
13:10.5
Yun yung aking kwal, eh.
13:12.9
Filing nila kandida si election nila
13:16.1
Bakit wala pa akong nakikita
13:18.4
But hindi yung lessons
13:21.5
yung lessons ng disruption,
13:25.5
mga political narrative,
13:30.0
Gagawin mo sa campaign period
13:33.3
Doon mo sisimulan?
13:36.1
doon ako nagtataka.
13:39.1
Ang dami na nangyari
13:40.2
para kumuha ka ng lessons.
13:41.9
Ang dami na nangyari
13:42.8
para maging basis mo
13:44.8
to create your own
13:50.4
At ang dami lumabas.
13:51.7
Million, million march
13:52.9
nung election 2022.
13:54.3
I mean, it's not like,
13:55.4
nag-daydream ka mo dito.
14:00.2
Sorry, not even embers.
14:01.4
We saw green shoots,
14:03.3
Of something special,
14:06.2
I think the advance
14:06.9
ay 1.2 million sa Makati.
14:10.2
15 hours nandun yung mga tao.
14:11.8
Hindi yung maalis.
14:13.1
Hindi yung maalis.
14:15.6
are young people.
14:19.1
one of my first lives,
14:20.5
as in blog lives,
14:21.9
was from Southeast Rallies.
14:23.4
And sa daming tao
14:24.4
gumagamit ng internet
14:25.5
kasi middle class lahat to,
14:27.5
Ang hirap kumuha ng internet.
14:30.9
these are things I saw in Hong Kong
14:32.3
nung during Hong Kong protest.
14:33.8
yung huge crowds,
14:35.2
and to see all of these
14:38.9
A-list celebrities coming out,
14:45.9
andun na yung blueprint.
14:49.6
it was shouting in your face.
14:53.5
Kaya nilang makinig sa atin,
14:56.6
tignan nila si Tulpo.
14:58.4
Three Tulpo brothers.
15:02.1
lalo ma-depress tayo.
15:03.4
May radio program.
15:05.2
Hindi sila matututuron, no?
15:06.6
Pwede nila pag-aralan yun, no?
15:08.3
Three Tulpo brothers.
15:09.6
Number one sa party list,
15:11.1
number one sa Senate,
15:13.3
mag na number one ulit sa Senate,
15:15.3
nilalampasan si Sarah sa surveys,
15:17.8
hindi pa nag-a-announce yan.
15:19.9
anong magic meron yan?
15:23.1
Anong mga magic potions
15:25.2
yung kinakailangan pala?
15:28.6
Like, Rafi's doing all, di ba?
15:30.5
He's still in media,
15:31.6
he's still Senate,
15:32.4
like he's doing all of this
15:33.6
sabay-sabay, di ba?
15:34.5
It looks like he has a lot of time.
15:34.7
It looks like he has a lot of time.
15:35.0
He has a lot of energy for everything, di ba?
15:37.7
He's picking a lot of big fights
15:38.9
at the same time strategic also
15:40.3
with picking his,
15:41.1
choosing his battles.
15:43.3
you can do it all naman, di ba?
15:44.8
obviously, we have our disagreements
15:47.4
and sometimes the messaging.
15:49.4
But in terms of yung,
15:51.8
multi-front offensive,
15:54.5
it's a lot to learn from.
15:54.7
Di ba, nga itong huli,
15:55.7
nag-walkout siya.
15:57.0
Di ba, nag-walkout siya
15:57.8
doon sa hearing window.
15:59.5
O, yung nga na-post yan.
16:00.8
Yung nga na-post siya.
16:00.8
Yung nga na-post si Bato.
16:02.1
sino yung nakinabang doon?
16:06.1
kinura niya yung mga polis.
16:08.5
et cetera, et cetera.
16:09.6
Nasaan lang simpat siya doon?
16:13.9
nung kinonfront niya
16:16.6
Tapos, nilabas niya
16:17.3
yung napakaraming papeles
16:18.6
about sa DepEd, no?
16:20.2
Et cetera, et cetera.
16:21.3
Sino yung nakinabang doon?
16:23.1
Who is running for re-election?
16:25.7
That's performative.
16:27.6
Performative politics, ha?
16:28.7
That's performative pala.
16:30.2
Performative, but,
16:31.9
I mean, in a way,
16:33.7
this is the difference.
16:35.3
yung mga iba dyan,
16:36.9
magdadrama-drama sila
16:38.0
kung nahuli silang
16:38.8
ang ginawa silang mali.
16:41.8
pero the underlying message is,
16:44.3
kaya ako nag-walkout
16:45.2
kasi you're not holding
16:46.1
people accountable,
16:47.0
which is a good message, right?
16:48.2
Kaya ako nag-walkout
16:49.1
or kaya ako nag-ganyan
16:50.1
kasi hindi kayo nag-respond
16:51.2
doon sa re-election.
16:52.6
you can criticize the example.
16:54.1
Pero mo yung PCSO.
17:02.0
from rags to riches.
17:04.4
Lolokohin nyo pa,
17:07.7
Imagine mo yung marka nun
17:09.0
sa mga may hirap.
17:10.5
lalo tayo mag-bash,
17:12.2
nag-apply sa Malacanang.
17:16.4
nag-advise ko lang,
17:17.3
yung mga katulad mo
17:19.1
dapat matuto dyan.
17:26.4
in the Aquino administration,
17:28.7
I'll take it with the game.
17:30.0
Hindi, sir Ronald,
17:31.1
last point on this episode,
17:32.7
I think this episode,
17:33.9
naging emotional tayo
17:36.2
Hindi, kasi I mean,
17:36.9
I hope people understand.
17:39.0
ano naman namin magpa-cute?
17:40.7
I prefer a world na
17:42.2
kahit boring yung...
17:43.1
I mean, anything but cute.
17:47.2
I mean, anything but cute.
17:54.0
I mean, you're right.
17:57.5
civil society leadership,
18:02.0
training the next
18:02.7
generation of leaders?
18:05.6
millennials like me
18:07.5
like, bring it down.
18:09.2
konting gap doon?
18:10.1
To put it nicely.
18:14.5
friends and colleagues
18:15.6
fighting the good fight.
18:17.1
But at the same time,
18:18.4
there's a mismatch
18:20.4
rise of all of these
18:21.6
opportunistic clowns
18:23.8
and what they bring
18:25.5
in terms of their
18:26.2
political momentum
18:34.4
Kami, lahat kami,
18:35.6
nung panahon namin,
18:37.3
youth and students,
18:40.0
dumaan sa organizing.
18:49.4
Whatever political
18:50.6
ideological formation
18:57.8
sa mga coalition,
18:58.7
sa civil society,
19:06.5
nagulat ka na lang,
19:07.5
you woke up in the morning,
19:09.0
wala na mga strikes.
19:12.1
wala na mga demolition,
19:16.2
na yung peasantry
19:18.7
nasisimula na mag-ubos,
19:26.4
merong ng smartphone,
19:28.7
is communicating,
19:37.2
you hit the wall, eh.
19:38.3
Yung mga teachings mo,
19:39.6
yung mga study circles,
19:41.5
yung mga political education,
19:44.9
hindi na siya umuubra.
19:47.0
absorptive capacity
19:49.0
especially the youth,
19:50.3
ay 30 seconds na lang
19:54.7
na-realize namin,
20:00.1
yun yung nangyayari ngayon.
20:02.5
hindi nakapag-adjust.
20:04.5
hindi nakapag-adjust.
20:05.5
Dahil napakabilis, eh.
20:07.5
Napakabilis ng speed, eh.
20:09.4
transition period, eh.
20:12.1
na mag-adjust ka.
20:13.4
isa yun sa naging problema.
20:14.9
Isa yun sa naging problema.
20:16.2
I'll say one more thing.
20:17.8
before we go to the next episode,
20:19.0
kasi we need to also talk
20:19.9
about West Philippines
20:20.6
and international affairs and all.
20:25.2
if you look at it,
20:26.2
my first book was on the
20:28.4
I was reading something
20:31.4
of different revolts
20:32.9
throughout the 21st century.
20:36.0
there's one book now
20:37.0
which kind of confirmed
20:38.0
what I've been saying.
20:39.1
This century has not produced
20:40.4
a single successful revolution.
20:44.3
Occupy Wall Street,
20:47.2
I can go on and on.
21:03.8
on the Arab Spring,
21:04.6
there's a chapter
21:06.0
Twitter devolution,
21:08.0
That if you think
21:08.6
through a hashtag,
21:11.1
there will always be
21:11.9
a KGB on the other side
21:13.3
who can better do it than you.
21:14.5
There'll always be
21:15.8
who can better do it.
21:16.9
There'll be always a side
21:17.8
who will spy on you,
21:18.8
use your own tweets
21:19.6
to track you down
21:26.8
that makes people
21:29.0
And I'm saying this
21:30.9
self-consciousness
21:33.4
my political activism,
21:35.3
reluctant political activism,
21:36.7
is through Twitter
21:38.5
But I'm saying it
21:39.2
at least with self-awareness
21:40.4
that this is not enough.
21:43.2
counterproductive
21:44.1
kung hanggang dyan lang.
21:45.4
Because at the end of the day,
21:47.3
revolution or change
21:50.1
those who hold power,
21:53.9
there's also this
21:56.5
over-fascination,
21:57.6
with all of this,
22:03.6
There's no evidence
22:05.5
a single successful revolution.
22:07.6
Magti-third decade na tayo
22:13.6
Third decade na pala tayo
22:14.7
ng fourth decade.
22:16.5
mas mahabang diskusyon.
22:18.8
a hundred sessions
22:19.7
para pag-usapan ito.
22:22.8
can you give a teaser
22:24.5
so that people look forward?
22:26.3
Because that's what
22:29.5
somewhere Tagaytay,
22:31.5
with a nice background
22:33.4
very green, right?
22:37.7
because that's where
22:41.4
because I respect
22:43.0
that part of you.
22:44.8
with some of your ideas
22:45.7
and isa alanganin ako
22:51.2
gangster OG background.
22:52.9
And it's that OG background
22:54.2
that people forget.
22:56.7
naging dibate namin
22:57.6
ito ni Maria Reza
22:59.0
Rappler seminars.
23:08.9
ang nag-weaponize
23:12.6
Yung nag-weaponize
23:13.6
this authoritarian
23:17.1
Sila yung nag-weaponize
23:18.1
nito to their advantage.
23:20.1
The Trump of this world,
23:33.4
mga contradictions
23:35.7
which is basically
23:36.5
centered on class,
23:42.1
dun sa mga issues
23:44.8
Dun sa mga social issues
23:46.0
like environment.
23:46.9
Parang nahiwalay.
23:52.8
yung ating narrative.
23:54.3
Which shouldn't be.
23:55.6
Which shouldn't be.
23:56.6
Magkakaugna yan, eh.
24:06.1
Yung iba ay naging
24:09.6
environmentalist.
24:16.1
it weakened class,
24:22.6
Integrated yan, eh.
24:24.9
walang mga ideologues,
24:26.8
Na-dinevelop sila
24:31.5
Yun yung naging problema.
24:33.8
ay hindi masyadong
24:36.1
So, yun lang yung
24:42.6
this is just a teaser.
24:45.2
I have to spell it out,
24:47.6
I think sometimes
24:49.2
na-misunderstood na naman tayo
24:51.3
deliberately try to
24:52.6
dismiss us to say,
24:53.5
eh, na naman si Ronald
24:54.8
nagpapakit na naman sila
24:55.9
yung mga analyst na yun.
24:58.5
these people realize,
24:60.0
anong ginagawa nyo,
25:01.3
last time I checked,
25:02.5
I'm studying all cases
25:04.3
all around the world
25:05.2
as much as I can, right?
25:06.3
And I really realized,
25:07.5
may gaps talaga dito
25:09.1
And I'd rather ask
25:11.9
pakit person who did,
25:13.1
some sociology graduate course
25:15.4
on blah, blah, blah,
25:20.3
to really turn things over.
25:22.2
If you don't believe me,
25:23.0
go and ask people
25:24.1
the big fight in Russia,
25:25.8
in the Middle East,
25:29.1
Thank you so much, Ronald.
25:32.1
protect natin ang puso.
25:33.8
Hindi ito yung puso
25:38.3
sa Ronald Diamant.
25:39.7
Sa susunod na episode,
25:40.7
pag-usapan naman natin
25:41.5
ang foreign policy
25:44.8
pinamahal na paulo.
25:49.2
Mag-white house na naman siya.
25:51.8
maging annual event
25:54.5
Sige, salamat sa Ronald.
25:55.7
Imagine in less than a month,
26:03.4
Hindi na siya Magellan,
26:09.0
Mapapash na naman ako
26:10.1
ng mga taga-Malacanang.
26:11.5
Ito na naman si Aydar.
26:14.6
yung travel ng travel?
26:17.8
Iba yung mga ginagawa namin.
26:19.8
Salamat sa Ronald.
