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00:00.0
Ipig sabihin po noon, meron silang nakalap na ebidensya,
00:25.3
whether documentary or testimonial evidence na nag-dawit sa kanila dito po sa Crimes Against Humanity.
00:36.7
So, nadawit sila. So, because of that, as part of the due process, sila ay iniinformahan na kayo ay dawit dito.
00:45.7
Parang ano yan eh, kumbaga pinagpa-file ka ng counter affidavit mo, parang gano'n.
00:53.3
Para ma-clear mo yung sarili mo, otherwise, pagka hindi ka nag-cooperate dyan,
01:01.7
ma-elevate yung status mo to a suspect kasi, ano na eh, hindi mo dinisput yung ebidensyang nakalap doon sa kanilang investigation.
01:14.1
Can they also turn into witnesses against former officials na mas mataas sa kanila?
01:21.1
Kunwari, katulad ni President Duterte?
01:23.3
Pwede po yun. Kaya it is up to them whether they will cooperate or not.
01:30.7
So, yun yung kanilang way to exonerate themselves from this case.
01:38.7
Itong ano, pag sinabi niya pong PNP officials, how high are or were their ranks in relation to the performance of their duties noong conduct po ng drug war?
01:53.3
Ibang-ibang mga ranggo po, no? From the very high until doon sa mga involved doon sa mga operations on the ground, even mga mid-level or mid-ranking officers.
02:10.9
So, yun po. Hindi po natin kasi mapapangalanan kasi, ano naman, malalagay sila sa piligro pag napangalanan sila.
02:23.3
Okay. Tapos ito, sir, no? Kasi diba I understand, dito sa ICC investigation, technically wala pa naman kasing formal charges, no? Tama po ba?
02:33.9
Hindi pa naman talaga napupunta sa ganun level. Correct me if I'm wrong, no? Nag-iimbestiga pa yung ICC prosecutor.
02:42.5
Pero yun nga po, diba ang tumuk naman dito, hindi naman kailangan mapapanagot lahat ng mga involved sa drug war, diba? Yung mga maliliit.
02:49.5
Diba? Kailangan dito yung pinakamalalaking isda. Tama po ba?
02:53.3
Opo. Ganun po ang disenyo nitong ICC. They're interested dun sa mga mastermind or dun sa mga talagang pinakamabibigat yung kasalanan.
03:09.3
Hindi como ikaw ay sargento, pero yung role mo naman ay napaka-strategic or integral dun sa buong operation, pwede ka pa rin madawit doon.
03:23.3
Hindi yung level of responsibility as regards to crimes against humanity. At ito, for sure may mga abogado na nanonood nito ngayon, kinukumpara nila palagi doon sa criminal justice system natin.
03:42.6
Yung proseso natin, iniisip nila ganun din. Iba po ang proseso ng ICC.
03:51.2
Yung investigation stage.
03:53.3
Ito, pagka sila ay ready na sila or confident na sila that they have enough evidence against the all concerned, magpa-file na sila ng application for warrant doon sa pre-trial chamber even before ito formally naisasampa sa ICC court.
04:22.4
Para ma-secure nila. Kasi walang trial in absensya ang ICC. Kaya importante na ma-issuehan ng warrant bago pa magsimula yung trial.
04:36.7
Dito kasi, isasampa sa korte yung kaso, tapos yung judge ang mag-i-issue ng warrant of arrest pag nakakita niyang merong probable cause.
04:51.5
So, nasa korte na. Dito, wala pa sa korte. Meron lang tinatawag na pre-trial chamber na yun yung mag-re-review ng application for warrant of arrest.
05:07.9
Okay. Dito po sa mga kinausap na ng ICC, na mga dati at active na PNP officials, sabi niyo more than 50.
05:17.3
Kasama po ba dito si Bato de la Rosa na ngayon ay senador?
05:20.6
Pero siya po yung nag-implement ng drug war early on bilang PNP chief.
05:26.5
Palagay ko, it goes without saying na talagang kasama na siya dyan.
05:31.5
Anyway, alam din naman niya yun na alam din naman niya na kasama siya.
05:37.8
Pero, baka hindi siya kasama necessarily dun sa yung na-communicatean ng ICC.
05:50.6
Kasi, given na yung status niya na ano na siya eh, principal, ano siya eh, principally involved siya eh, no?
06:01.7
Hindi siya accessory, no?
06:04.9
Or hindi minor yung kanyang role.
06:06.8
So, given na yun.
06:08.1
So, baka hindi na siya in-inform as implicated kasi isa na siyang primary suspect.
06:20.6
So, hindi na mga, hindi na kinausap si Bato de la Rosa dahil malaki yung involvement niya doon sa pagkapatupad ng drug war.
06:34.2
So, yung mga kinausap, ibig sabihin pwede pa itong gawing witnesses, ganun?
06:37.8
Pwede pa makakuha ng additional information from them that could help build the case against the principals.
06:46.3
Ngayon, in fact, ang sinasabi ko lang, iba yung proseso.
06:50.6
Iba yung proseso sa kanila.
06:53.0
Iba yung mga minor players, ika nga.
06:57.1
Pero even the Senator Bato, palagay ko, kaya pa rin niya ma-exonerate yung sarili niya
07:06.5
kung talagang ano siya, makukonvince niya yung korte na ano lang siya, inutusan siya at
07:14.6
hindi naman siya talagang yung instrumento doon sa pagpatay.
07:23.4
I'm not saying, ano yan, that will be bought.
07:26.6
But, theoretically, pwede pa rin siyang maging witness against Duterte.
07:34.8
But it is up to him.
07:37.4
Pwede naman niyang isugal na lang.
07:40.3
Isapalara na lang.
07:44.6
Sila nila, ano, niladigong kung saan man sila dadalin nung kanilang landas.
07:51.2
So, again, theoretically, pwede pa rin, no?
07:53.8
At saka po, officially, no?
07:55.0
Wala pa naman talagang formally accused dito sa iniimbestigahan ng ICC, di ba?
08:00.4
Wala pong formally accused.
08:03.7
We are just deducing based on the information we submitted.
08:09.3
Yung mga evidence, yung mga testigo na humarap kung sino yung mga
08:14.6
madalas nami-mention, sino yung substantial, yung ebidensya,
08:21.4
madi-deduce mo na from there.
08:22.8
Pero yung mga na-implicate kasi, meron pa rin, ano eh,
08:27.4
pagka lumawak yung investigation, eh pwede silang na-elevate eh.
08:36.7
So, pagkakaalam nyo ba, bumalik na yung ICC investigators dito sa Pilipinas since December?
08:44.6
Babalik anytime soon?
08:46.7
Palagay ko, hindi na nila kailangan bumalik.
08:49.1
Mukhang nagawa na nila yung kailangan gawin.
08:51.8
Nakausap nila yung kailangan kausapin.
08:54.5
Kaya, kaya dinededuce din natin na nasa wrapping up stage na sila noong investigation.
08:59.9
Kaya nga, we made the approximations eh during our past interviews na late second quarter lalabas yung waran.
09:12.5
That is based on our...
09:14.6
Approximations or estimates.
09:19.7
Speaking of the possible issuance of an arrest warrant by the ICC against former President Rodrigo Duterte and the other principals,
09:29.6
binanggit po in the not so distant past, medyo ilang linggo lang po ito nakalipas na binanggit ni President Marcos
09:39.0
na kung sakali magpalabas ng arrest warrant ang ICC, ay hindi po niya isusuko.
09:43.8
Si dati pangulong Rodrigo Duterte.
09:46.8
I mean, what they make of that statement coming from the President.
09:52.8
Ang masasabi ko dyan, si President Marcos will say what he needs to say, but he will do what he needs to do.
10:02.8
Bunyog, halikan na kasama ka.
10:08.2
Bunyog, kapag buklot ay may pag-asa.
10:12.9
Tusong bisayas may tanaw, isa ang pananaw.
10:18.7
Sa bagong Pilipinas ang bunyog isisigaw.
10:26.8
Bunyog, bunyog, bunyog.
