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unable to go back to that particular place.
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Dr. Bernabacal, I want to push you on this, Jay, actually.
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It's because you dealt with the Senate,
00:13.3
you dealt with Senators Robin Hood and Padilla.
00:16.0
We know for a fact that some of the Senators,
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at least two of them themselves,
00:19.8
could be on the ICC list
00:21.1
and potentially face warrants of arrest.
00:23.5
So, considering that not an insignificant number of Senators
00:27.5
may be more sympathetic to the position of the Duterte camp,
00:31.3
some of them have their own neck in this game
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or skin in this game,
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I think it's quite fanciful to expect the Senate
00:38.6
to be, I don't know, professional or look at the national...
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But parang nagugulangan ako, Jay, dito, no?
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I mean, in a sense na parang andali lang makalabas ang Pilipinas
00:48.7
noong panahon ng digong.
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Pero ngayon, yung pagbabalik natin,
00:52.3
biglang ang daming veto players.
00:54.8
If it were so easy for Duterte to get it out,
00:56.8
then it should be...
00:57.5
Up to Marcos himself to decide it.
00:59.0
Kasi for sure, kung baba ba ito sa Senado,
01:01.4
yung mga pro-DDS, yung mga sangkot sa drug war ni Digong,
01:05.8
they're gonna fight, you know, till the end of times, di ba?
01:09.1
So, ang gulo na itong situation na ito.
01:13.4
It's a simple case of us not having had any prior experiences
01:16.6
of this kind, no?
01:18.8
Walang president yung withdrawal,
01:21.4
walang president yung rejoining.
01:24.4
And because of that, the law is not clear on,
01:27.5
and therefore, it will be debatable.
01:29.5
And the fact now that you have actual senators
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who might be on trial for that,
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siyempre, that adds to the complexity.
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Di umano'y ng pro-DDS.
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Let's just be clear.
01:43.6
Who might be on trial.
01:47.6
You're being too polite again.
01:49.0
I mean, okay, just a side note.
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Just to remind everyone,
01:53.2
what was your back and forth with Senator Robin Hood Padilla?
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kasi yung mga nanonood,
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pero ikaw, relax ka lang, eh,
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Prof. Batumbakal.
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is it the professor in you,
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or is it the bataw at bakal in you?
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I mean, what's going on there?
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Well, I had the advantage of a mute button
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Minimute na lang.
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And also, I mean,
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I knew that, you know,
02:20.9
I was on the screen.
02:23.0
So, diyan laki-laki nung,
02:25.3
probably, nung screen doon sa Sen. Itol.
02:26.9
Any little twitch, kitang-kanta.
02:29.3
So, I have to restrain myself.
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But, you know, you also have to,
02:34.2
that's part of the training, eh.
02:35.2
Sometimes, you just really have to have the patience
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to let a lot of bull go.
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Poker face na poker face.
02:43.7
Like, pag ako yan,
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napikon siguro ako.
02:46.4
Sir, baka naman gusto mong mag-research.
02:48.3
Research, research.
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But, I have a lot of respect for your patience, Jay.
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Ako, pasensyosa ako.
02:58.0
I, you know, bardagul.
02:59.6
bait-bait mo talaga kay Sen. Robin Hood, eh.
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Kaya sa kaya, I really,
03:04.0
do you have an advice for other experts
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who will be soon invited siguro sa Senado?
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Ano nga yung, ano?
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Ano nga yung mantra ni, ano?
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Ayan, bear and forbear.
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Medyo stoic na tayo.
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Now, balikan natin itong topic natin.
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Jay, this is how I do it.
03:26.9
I always put some dark humor into conversation.
03:29.5
Kasi, of course, these are very technical.
03:31.6
These are very high-stakes issues.
03:33.0
So, kung walang humor,
03:33.9
baka maboard yung mga followers natin.
03:35.6
But, I think they also understand na
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there's some element of seriousness
03:38.6
in the things we're saying.
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Pero, di umano eh.
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Pro-DDS or di umano eh.
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Medyo sangkot dito sa ICC na yan.
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Just to be fair about this.
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Don't worry, Jay.
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I'm not gonna ask you about the Maricel Soriano PD.
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You know, yung mga leaks, leaks na Marites.
03:53.2
Don't worry about it.
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Now, balikan natin
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itong issue na ito.
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I mean, is it conceivable
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na the Philippines can get international sympathy
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on the West Philippine Sea issue
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if it doesn't come clean on the ICC issue?
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The reason I'm saying this is because
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we had Justice Carpio earlier in our podcast
04:14.0
and he was suggesting na actually
04:16.3
the next move should be additional arbitration cases
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to resolve the status of Scarborough Shoal.
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I had an interview also with
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Senator Antonio Trillanes
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whose position is
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well, no one is stopping us
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from going back to Scarborough Shoal
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because technically speaking
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no one is in complete control of the Shoal.
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There's a kind of a
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Chinese presence there or in
